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Out.

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And then I went there and I saw the apartheid.

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I saw what was happening, and I and I went back.

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I went back two years later, and I drove all over the West Bank with Unwra and
with a woman from Unwra called Allegra Pacheco.

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And I'll never forget, I was we were driving north towards Jenin one day and I
went, well, at least they have nice roads because it was a nice two lane
blacktop tarmac road and Allegra looked at me like I was daft or something and
she said, yeah, if you're Jewish.

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I went, what are you talking about?

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She said, you're not allowed to drive on this road unless you're Jewish.

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Don't be.

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I just said, don't be silly.

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Can you imagine going you want to drive to Pennsylvania or somewhere?

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You know Philadelphia and you go to get on the I-95 and they go, You're a
Christian, aren't you?

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Because if you're not, you can't go on the road and you go, what?

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Don't be daft.

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Well, that's that's it.

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It's a completely apartheid society.

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If you're an Arab, you're not allowed on the road.

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I didn't believe it, but I did after a bit, and I saw.

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And it was just hell on earth, they've created hell on earth.

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And in that visit and those visits that I made, you know, I decided that I would
be vocal and do anything that I could to help my Palestinian brothers and
sisters to achieve equal human rights with their Jewish brothers and sisters
between the Jordan River and the sea.

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I'm not asking anyone to kill anyone.

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Right.

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But you have to have equal.

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You can't have apartheid.

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You cannot allow apartheid societies to spring up in the world.

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That is not a way to encourage one another to be kind.

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In my view.

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So you see this.

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You're stunned by it, moved by it, outraged by it.

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When do you decide to talk about it?

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Did you think about it immediately?

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Immediately.

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Yeah.

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And what was the response you got?

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Well, the Israeli lobby in America particularly were not best pleased.

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So they were.

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And they have ever since then done everything that they can to destroy my
career.

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They have failed.

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I fight back.